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Lists with This Book. Community Reviews. Showing Average rating 3. Rating details. More filters. Sort order. Start your review of Crito. Aug 12, Manny rated it really liked it Shelves: history-and-biography , linguistics-and-philosophy. I'm terribly sorry to be disturbing you shortly before your impending execution, but-- - And who are you? I'm a visitor from the future.
I-- - Again. It's been one visitor after another this evening. First my extremely well-meaning friend Crito trying to save me, and then R. Daneel Olivaw from the Trantorian Empire trying to save me, and then two fictitious characters from Ultima Thule who for some reason also thought they would try to save me, and now you.
Wha - Socrates? What's on your mind, Manny? My time machine is right here, it's big enough for-- - And how would you propose to save me? You'd like it there. People are more tolerant, you'd be able to say what you want and not get killed by an angry mob.
We have freedom of speech, you see. Society has progressed a great deal since your day. Daneel said something rather similar about his age. But perhaps matters went downhill again after your time. It is so easy for the world to relapse into barbarism. I love Athens. I have devoted my life to this city, which to my mind is the greatest civilization the world has produced or ever will produce. They have condemned me to death, and that saddens me more than I can say, but I would rather accept my sentence than forego their respect to steal a few miserable years among lesser people.
Come and see for yourself! I declined their offer, but after they left I wondered if I had not been overhasty. The philosopher, Alberto, had many interesting opinions. And his ephebe -- Sofie, if I remember the name aright? If you have more young boys like that in your time-- - In fact, I should inform you that Sofie was a girl. Her clothing, her general demeanor Perhaps I have underestimated the charms of fourteen year old girls.
I am willing to make the experiment, in a spirit of philosophical openness. I have become so forgetful in my old age. Alberto did mention your curious views on eros. I can say what I wish, except in erotic matters. I must think less about these trifles. The important thing is that I can speak openly about the gods? You'll be able to do that at least! I believe he mentioned a barbarian god who is much worshipped in your time and who places the strongest prohibitions on his followers.
But you are under no-- - Capital! Probably it comes of having been teased so much by my friend Aristophanes, but I had thought to compose an amusing little sketch, in his style, about the holy man of "Allah".
I confess it is beneath me, and in my dear Athens I would have more sense than to do such a thing. In your society, however, I understand I may permit myself this freedom, tasteless and disrespectful as it may be? So I can say what I wish, except about the erotic and the divine? And possibly a few other things? I like to speak my mind. I've managed to upset even my dear countrymen, with whom I've lived all my life, to the point that they have decided to kill me.
I doubt it would go much better for me anywhere else. I'd rather die here, in a place I'm familiar with, and not give the people who sentenced me to death the satisfaction of seeing me try to escape.
You all did. Crito, and R. Daneel Olivaw, and the two visitors from Ultima Thule. You all meant extremely well. But sometimes there's just no easy solution. And now, I'd like to get some sleep. I'll tell the twenty-first century what you said.
And it's been a privilege meeting you. And don't forget to show people the funny side of it too. View all 14 comments. Mar 20, Roy Lotz rated it really liked it Shelves: oldie-but-goodie , platonic-love.
This time his friend, Crito, visits him in his cell to try to persuade him to escape into exile. Socrates is true to form, insisting that nothing—not the reputation of himself or his friend, nor concern for his own life—ought to be considered except reason. Crito must attempt to persuade Socrates to escape. The dialogue ends with the famous personification of the Laws of Athens, in the course of which Plato hits upon one of the earliest formulations of the social contract: by living in Athens, Socrates implicitly agrees to be bound by her laws.
It has considerable philosophic importance, too, for its aforementioned prefiguring of the social contract. Surely laws may be unjust; and a law may be just in itself and yet unjust or mistaken in its execution.
If that is so, should the citizen passively accept it simply because it is the law? One senses the fine Socratic irony here, too, arguing playfully rather than sincerely. Socrates surely had compelling reasons to accept his death—but one doubts that pure patriotic regard of law was the whole of it. View 2 comments. Sep 02, Steve rated it it was amazing Shelves: greek , philosophy. This is the sequel to Plato's Apology. Socrates has been condemned to death, but for religious reasons his execution has been postponed for a few weeks.
Crito, one of his friends, has smuggled himself into Socrates' cell late at night and offers to bribe all the necessary persons to get him out of his cell, out of Athens, to a safe place in Thessaly. As riveting as the Apology is, I find Crito to be extraordinarily moving. Plato places an eloquence and emotive power in Crito's mouth that c This is the sequel to Plato's Apology.
Plato places an eloquence and emotive power in Crito's mouth that could hardly fail to sway anyone as he explains the many reasons why Socrates should accede to his proposal. Instead of drawing his head up and defiantly spouting principles, as so many principled persons have done in history and such persons are often presented to us as magnificent examples to emulate , Socrates draws Crito into a search for a reasoned response.
I don't intend to trace here the turns taken in this search. You should read it. And, ultimately, I don't think it really matters if this search leads to an answer one agrees with. I don't think Plato's intention was to persuade everyone that the answer found is correct for all persons. After all, the search is based upon certain explicit and implicit assumptions which need not be shared by all persons.
But even if that were Plato's intention, the appreciation of this beautiful text need not depend upon being so persuaded. It is not we but Socrates who is to be executed, and he clearly explains why he has an obligation he cannot disregard. Our agreement or disagreement is totally immaterial. And what could Plato have been feeling as he wrote this little gem. Was his heart swelling with pride at the principled stand Socrates took?
Were tears of regret limping down his cheeks as Crito tried everything he could to convince Socrates to save his life? Was he calculating the best way to ensure to his teacher's name and ideas the eternity that his body could never have? Really, every aspect of this text is remarkable.
I consider it to be one of the finest in Western literature. Re-read in Benjamin Jowett's translation. This beautiful and moving conversation is therefore Plato's invention, even if it may have remained faithful to whatever main points Crito was able to recall.
Aug 30, Matthew Ted rated it really liked it Shelves: translated , 18th-century-and-prior , ancient-greece , philosophy. Death looms for Socrates but death is favourable to this year-old man. Does he explain why? Yes, yes he does. Crito is not quite as good as the prior Apology but still wonderful. Socrates Plato , I'm realising, is wonderful. The first "tetralogy" is almost done. I'll dabble around in some other dialogues before reading Republic.
Then it's onto Aristotle. View 1 comment. To put it shortly, the questions we are dealing with here is; - Is it ok to be wrong to someone if they have been wrong to you first? Or Is it okay in some cases look above - My answer? If you truly know that doing someone wrong will help them and result in you having done them good, then I belive that you can still say ' It's never ok to do wrong to anyone.
As Sokrates said, life isn't about beeing alive , it's about Living. If you're helping the right people in the right way, in the long run, it's alright to do wrong once in a while.
As long as it does no permanent harm as mentioned in the writing to the important part of the body: the mind. Jul 02, Brad Lyerla rated it really liked it. Crito and others have arranged for Socrates to escape from prison and thereby avoid his sentence to die by drinking hemlock.
But Socrates is not persuaded and convinces Crito that it is unprincipled not to obey the law even when one believes the outcome in a particular case is unjust. And not only then, but even when the majority believes the outcome is unjust because the will of the majority does not matter when it is against principle. But what principle? The principle is not identified with clarity by Socrates.
One could argue that the principle seems to be that democracy has its rules and that those rules are created by a process. A rule created by the process cannot be undone by the will of the majority except through another process. Until that happens, the citizens of a community are bound by the rule.
A lot of this is implied. A short fun read. Many consider this text problematic. Did Plato or his son write the text? The standard worldview of the time is not in place within this text. These are not problems that can be resolved. The issue of coming to an understanding must lie elsewhere. I propose that the rhetorical argument needs to be differently understood, understood from the perspective of a man preparing to die as soon as possible.
Plato of Athens, who laid the foundations of the Western philosophical tradition and in range and depth ranks among its greatest practitioners, was born to a prosperous and politically active family circa BC. In early life an admirer of Socrates, Plato later founded the first institution of higher learning in the West, the Academy, among whose many notable alumni was Aristotle. Traditionally ascribed to Plato are thirty-five dialogues developing Socrates' dialectic method and composed with great stylistic virtuosity, together with the Apology and thirteen letters.
The four works in this volume recount the circumstances of Socrates' trial and execution in BC. In Euthyphro , set in the weeks before the trial, Socrates and Euthyphro attempt to define holiness.
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